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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,459
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    PurpleJ said:

    I've been keeping Tac Town safe from terrorism for years and no one ever thanks me for my service.

    We didn't want Tacoma anyway
    It's part of America. Oh I forgot you are a Hillary supporter so you hate REAL America.
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    pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,739
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    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
    Collapse Edit
    As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[7] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[7] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39][40]

    After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42][43] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[8] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[46] According to FEMA, the building started to collapse at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling, but differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed—at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA, and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6][7][47] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

    The NIST report found no evidence supporting conspiracy theories that 7 World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, the window breakage pattern and blast sounds that would have resulted from the use of explosives were not observed.[7] The suggestion that an incendiary material such as thermite was used instead of explosives was considered unlikely by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity of material could have been planted without discovery.[8]

    Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the Twin Towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations was that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse

    So you're saying that it's fire?

    @OZONE, true?!

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    TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
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    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    I've been keeping Tac Town safe from terrorism for years and no one ever thanks me for my service.

    We didn't want Tacoma anyway
    It's part of America. Oh I forgot you are a Hillary supporter so you hate REAL America.
    Hillary Clinton already won their electoral votes
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    OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
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    pawz said:



    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
    Collapse Edit
    As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[7] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[7] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39][40]

    After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42][43] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[8] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[46] According to FEMA, the building started to collapse at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling, but differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed—at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA, and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6][7][47] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

    The NIST report found no evidence supporting conspiracy theories that 7 World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, the window breakage pattern and blast sounds that would have resulted from the use of explosives were not observed.[7] The suggestion that an incendiary material such as thermite was used instead of explosives was considered unlikely by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity of material could have been planted without discovery.[8]

    Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the Twin Towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations was that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse

    So you're saying that it's fire?

    @OZONE, true?!

    Here's a quarter so you can buy a clue.

    Nobody gives a shit. Except for a few mobile home dwellers.
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    pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,739
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    edited September 2016
    OZONE said:

    pawz said:



    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
    Collapse Edit
    As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[7] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[7] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39][40]

    After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42][43] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[8] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[46] According to FEMA, the building started to collapse at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling, but differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed—at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA, and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6][7][47] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

    The NIST report found no evidence supporting conspiracy theories that 7 World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, the window breakage pattern and blast sounds that would have resulted from the use of explosives were not observed.[7] The suggestion that an incendiary material such as thermite was used instead of explosives was considered unlikely by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity of material could have been planted without discovery.[8]

    Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the Twin Towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations was that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse

    So you're saying that it's fire?

    @OZONE, true?!

    Here's a quarter so you can buy a clue.

    Nobody gives a shit. Except for a few mobile home dwellers.

    Coward.
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    OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
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    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:



    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
    Collapse Edit
    As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[7] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[7] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39][40]

    After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42][43] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[8] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[46] According to FEMA, the building started to collapse at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling, but differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed—at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA, and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6][7][47] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

    The NIST report found no evidence supporting conspiracy theories that 7 World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, the window breakage pattern and blast sounds that would have resulted from the use of explosives were not observed.[7] The suggestion that an incendiary material such as thermite was used instead of explosives was considered unlikely by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity of material could have been planted without discovery.[8]

    Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the Twin Towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations was that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse

    So you're saying that it's fire?

    @OZONE, true?!

    Here's a quarter so you can buy a clue.

    Nobody gives a shit. Except for a few mobile home dwellers.

    Coward.

    If you were better educated you might understand the difference between cowardice and not giving a shit.
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    pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,739
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    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:



    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
    Collapse Edit
    As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[7] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[7] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39][40]

    After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42][43] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[8] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[46] According to FEMA, the building started to collapse at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling, but differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed—at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA, and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6][7][47] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

    The NIST report found no evidence supporting conspiracy theories that 7 World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, the window breakage pattern and blast sounds that would have resulted from the use of explosives were not observed.[7] The suggestion that an incendiary material such as thermite was used instead of explosives was considered unlikely by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity of material could have been planted without discovery.[8]

    Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the Twin Towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations was that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse

    So you're saying that it's fire?

    @OZONE, true?!

    Here's a quarter so you can buy a clue.

    Nobody gives a shit. Except for a few mobile home dwellers.

    Coward.

    If you were better educated you might understand the difference between cowardice and not giving a shit.

    If you were better educated you would know not giving a shit is the cowards way out of critical thinking.
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    OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
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    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:



    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
    Collapse Edit
    As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[7] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[7] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39][40]

    After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42][43] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[8] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[46] According to FEMA, the building started to collapse at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling, but differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed—at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA, and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6][7][47] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

    The NIST report found no evidence supporting conspiracy theories that 7 World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, the window breakage pattern and blast sounds that would have resulted from the use of explosives were not observed.[7] The suggestion that an incendiary material such as thermite was used instead of explosives was considered unlikely by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity of material could have been planted without discovery.[8]

    Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the Twin Towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations was that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse

    So you're saying that it's fire?

    @OZONE, true?!

    Here's a quarter so you can buy a clue.

    Nobody gives a shit. Except for a few mobile home dwellers.

    Coward.

    If you were better educated you might understand the difference between cowardice and not giving a shit.

    If you were better educated you would know not giving a shit is the cowards way out of critical thinking.
    There aren't any critical thinkers that are on board with the 9/11 conspiracy fringe movement. HTH
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    OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
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    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:



    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
    Collapse Edit
    As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[7] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[7] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39][40]

    After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42][43] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[8] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[46] According to FEMA, the building started to collapse at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling, but differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed—at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA, and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6][7][47] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

    The NIST report found no evidence supporting conspiracy theories that 7 World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, the window breakage pattern and blast sounds that would have resulted from the use of explosives were not observed.[7] The suggestion that an incendiary material such as thermite was used instead of explosives was considered unlikely by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity of material could have been planted without discovery.[8]

    Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the Twin Towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations was that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse

    So you're saying that it's fire?

    @OZONE, true?!

    Here's a quarter so you can buy a clue.

    Nobody gives a shit. Except for a few mobile home dwellers.

    Coward.

    If you were better educated you might understand the difference between cowardice and not giving a shit.

    If you were better educated you would know not giving a shit is the cowards way out of critical thinking.

    image
    Uprooted because at least you are learning the difference between flying boats and floatplanes.
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    OZONE said:


    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:



    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
    Collapse Edit
    As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[7] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[7] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39][40]

    After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42][43] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[8] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[46] According to FEMA, the building started to collapse at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling, but differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed—at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA, and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6][7][47] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

    The NIST report found no evidence supporting conspiracy theories that 7 World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, the window breakage pattern and blast sounds that would have resulted from the use of explosives were not observed.[7] The suggestion that an incendiary material such as thermite was used instead of explosives was considered unlikely by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity of material could have been planted without discovery.[8]

    Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the Twin Towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations was that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse

    So you're saying that it's fire?

    @OZONE, true?!

    Here's a quarter so you can buy a clue.

    Nobody gives a shit. Except for a few mobile home dwellers.

    Coward.

    If you were better educated you might understand the difference between cowardice and not giving a shit.

    If you were better educated you would know not giving a shit is the cowards way out of critical thinking.

    image
    Uprooted because at least you are learning the difference between flying boats and floatplanes.
    FO, O. It doesn't matter whether you claim to fly floatplanes or flying boats, the result is the same.

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    OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
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    OZONE said:


    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:



    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
    Collapse Edit
    As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[7] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[7] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39][40]

    After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42][43] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[8] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[46] According to FEMA, the building started to collapse at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling, but differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed—at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA, and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6][7][47] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

    The NIST report found no evidence supporting conspiracy theories that 7 World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, the window breakage pattern and blast sounds that would have resulted from the use of explosives were not observed.[7] The suggestion that an incendiary material such as thermite was used instead of explosives was considered unlikely by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity of material could have been planted without discovery.[8]

    Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the Twin Towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations was that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse

    So you're saying that it's fire?

    @OZONE, true?!

    Here's a quarter so you can buy a clue.

    Nobody gives a shit. Except for a few mobile home dwellers.

    Coward.

    If you were better educated you might understand the difference between cowardice and not giving a shit.

    If you were better educated you would know not giving a shit is the cowards way out of critical thinking.

    image
    Uprooted because at least you are learning the difference between flying boats and floatplanes.
    It doesn't matter
    Seems like you care.
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    pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,739
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    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:



    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
    Collapse Edit
    As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[7] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[7] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39][40]

    After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42][43] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[8] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[46] According to FEMA, the building started to collapse at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling, but differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed—at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA, and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6][7][47] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

    The NIST report found no evidence supporting conspiracy theories that 7 World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, the window breakage pattern and blast sounds that would have resulted from the use of explosives were not observed.[7] The suggestion that an incendiary material such as thermite was used instead of explosives was considered unlikely by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity of material could have been planted without discovery.[8]

    Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the Twin Towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations was that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse

    So you're saying that it's fire?

    @OZONE, true?!

    Here's a quarter so you can buy a clue.

    Nobody gives a shit. Except for a few mobile home dwellers.

    Coward.

    If you were better educated you might understand the difference between cowardice and not giving a shit.

    If you were better educated you would know not giving a shit is the cowards way out of critical thinking.
    There aren't any critical thinkers that are on board with the 9/11 conspiracy fringe movement. HTH
    No. You've yet to display the characteristics of anything remotely resembling a critical thinker. You're calling names to avoid asking, thinking and pondering tough questions about the narrative.




    image





    For a moment, let's look at the above narrative. The claim is when Bldg 2 fell, it fell into Bldg 7 thus starting 'small' fires in Bldg 7.

    Let's for a second go back to 3rd grade Cub Scout and see what is needed to start a fire:

    image

    HEAT: Ok, I'll give you this, tremendous weight from falling debris could cause enough pressure (remember chemistry class, pressure = heat) and friction to start a fire.

    FUEL: Last I checked, concrete, steel, glass by itself doesn't burn. I guess the carpet (Race?) and other paper and wood products in the building could have ignited. We'll leave this as a question mark.

    OXYGEN: When I watch footage of the twin towers fall, what is most prevalent are the billowing clouds of powdered concrete. I don't know about you, but I remember images of people running away with clothes over their mouths trying to get any oxygen they could.
    Does this look like the kind of environment that could produce enough oxygen to start a fire, or more likely to put a fire out?



    I'll be patiently waiting your critical analysis.
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    OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
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    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:



    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
    Collapse Edit
    As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[7] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[7] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39][40]

    After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42][43] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[8] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[46] According to FEMA, the building started to collapse at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling, but differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed—at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA, and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6][7][47] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

    The NIST report found no evidence supporting conspiracy theories that 7 World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, the window breakage pattern and blast sounds that would have resulted from the use of explosives were not observed.[7] The suggestion that an incendiary material such as thermite was used instead of explosives was considered unlikely by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity of material could have been planted without discovery.[8]

    Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the Twin Towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations was that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse

    So you're saying that it's fire?

    @OZONE, true?!

    Here's a quarter so you can buy a clue.

    Nobody gives a shit. Except for a few mobile home dwellers.

    Coward.

    If you were better educated you might understand the difference between cowardice and not giving a shit.

    If you were better educated you would know not giving a shit is the cowards way out of critical thinking.
    There aren't any critical thinkers that are on board with the 9/11 conspiracy fringe movement. HTH
    No. You've yet to display the characteristics of anything remotely resembling a critical thinker. You're calling names to avoid asking, thinking and pondering tough questions about the narrative.




    image





    For a moment, let's look at the above narrative. The claim is when Bldg 2 fell, it fell into Bldg 7 thus starting 'small' fires in Bldg 7.

    Let's for a second go back to 3rd grade Cub Scout and see what is needed to start a fire:

    image

    HEAT: Ok, I'll give you this, tremendous weight from falling debris could cause enough pressure (remember chemistry class, pressure = heat) and friction to start a fire.

    FUEL: Last I checked, concrete, steel, glass by itself doesn't burn. I guess the carpet (Race?) and other paper and wood products in the building could have ignited. We'll leave this as a question mark.

    OXYGEN: When I watch footage of the twin towers fall, what is most prevalent are the billowing clouds of powdered concrete. I don't know about you, but I remember images of people running away with clothes over their mouths trying to get any oxygen they could.
    Does this look like the kind of environment that could produce enough oxygen to start a fire, or more likely to put a fire out?



    I'll be patiently waiting your critical analysis.
    You pressing, is going to change the fact that I don't give a shit about your fringe lunatic theory.
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    pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,739
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    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:



    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
    Collapse Edit
    As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[7] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[7] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39][40]

    After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42][43] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[8] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[46] According to FEMA, the building started to collapse at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling, but differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed—at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA, and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6][7][47] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

    The NIST report found no evidence supporting conspiracy theories that 7 World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, the window breakage pattern and blast sounds that would have resulted from the use of explosives were not observed.[7] The suggestion that an incendiary material such as thermite was used instead of explosives was considered unlikely by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity of material could have been planted without discovery.[8]

    Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the Twin Towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations was that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse

    So you're saying that it's fire?

    @OZONE, true?!

    Here's a quarter so you can buy a clue.

    Nobody gives a shit. Except for a few mobile home dwellers.

    Coward.

    If you were better educated you might understand the difference between cowardice and not giving a shit.

    If you were better educated you would know not giving a shit is the cowards way out of critical thinking.
    There aren't any critical thinkers that are on board with the 9/11 conspiracy fringe movement. HTH
    No. You've yet to display the characteristics of anything remotely resembling a critical thinker. You're calling names to avoid asking, thinking and pondering tough questions about the narrative.




    image





    For a moment, let's look at the above narrative. The claim is when Bldg 2 fell, it fell into Bldg 7 thus starting 'small' fires in Bldg 7.

    Let's for a second go back to 3rd grade Cub Scout and see what is needed to start a fire:

    image

    HEAT: Ok, I'll give you this, tremendous weight from falling debris could cause enough pressure (remember chemistry class, pressure = heat) and friction to start a fire.

    FUEL: Last I checked, concrete, steel, glass by itself doesn't burn. I guess the carpet (Race?) and other paper and wood products in the building could have ignited. We'll leave this as a question mark.

    OXYGEN: When I watch footage of the twin towers fall, what is most prevalent are the billowing clouds of powdered concrete. I don't know about you, but I remember images of people running away with clothes over their mouths trying to get any oxygen they could.
    Does this look like the kind of environment that could produce enough oxygen to start a fire, or more likely to put a fire out?



    I'll be patiently waiting your critical analysis.
    You pressing, is going to change the fact that I don't give a shit about your fringe lunatic theory.

    Coward. Run little boy.
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    I actually feel a little bad witnessing Pawz pistol-whipping Ozone with conspiracy theories and related questions. All that education and non-mobile home living is doing O no good whatsoever. Sure you got your money's worth, O? Doesn't look like it.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:



    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
    Collapse Edit
    As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[7] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[7] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39][40]

    After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42][43] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[8] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[46] According to FEMA, the building started to collapse at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling, but differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed—at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA, and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6][7][47] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

    The NIST report found no evidence supporting conspiracy theories that 7 World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, the window breakage pattern and blast sounds that would have resulted from the use of explosives were not observed.[7] The suggestion that an incendiary material such as thermite was used instead of explosives was considered unlikely by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity of material could have been planted without discovery.[8]

    Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the Twin Towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations was that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse

    So you're saying that it's fire?

    @OZONE, true?!

    Here's a quarter so you can buy a clue.

    Nobody gives a shit. Except for a few mobile home dwellers.

    Coward.

    If you were better educated you might understand the difference between cowardice and not giving a shit.

    If you were better educated you would know not giving a shit is the cowards way out of critical thinking.
    There aren't any critical thinkers that are on board with the 9/11 conspiracy fringe movement. HTH
    No. You've yet to display the characteristics of anything remotely resembling a critical thinker. You're calling names to avoid asking, thinking and pondering tough questions about the narrative.




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    For a moment, let's look at the above narrative. The claim is when Bldg 2 fell, it fell into Bldg 7 thus starting 'small' fires in Bldg 7.

    Let's for a second go back to 3rd grade Cub Scout and see what is needed to start a fire:

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    HEAT: Ok, I'll give you this, tremendous weight from falling debris could cause enough pressure (remember chemistry class, pressure = heat) and friction to start a fire.

    FUEL: Last I checked, concrete, steel, glass by itself doesn't burn. I guess the carpet (Race?) and other paper and wood products in the building could have ignited. We'll leave this as a question mark.

    OXYGEN: When I watch footage of the twin towers fall, what is most prevalent are the billowing clouds of powdered concrete. I don't know about you, but I remember images of people running away with clothes over their mouths trying to get any oxygen they could.
    Does this look like the kind of environment that could produce enough oxygen to start a fire, or more likely to put a fire out?



    I'll be patiently waiting your critical analysis.
    Do people cover their mouths in search of oxygen? No they cover their mouths because other shit in addition to oxygen wants to get into the lungs.

    Other than that point, you are dialed in, tin foil hat and all.

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    Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,783
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    Lunatic fringe...I know you're out there
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    Lunatic fringe...I know you're out there

    Comfortably numb
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    MisterEmMisterEm Member Posts: 6,685
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    Lunatic fringe...I know you're out there

    Are you not entertained?
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