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How much better does the offense really need to be for us to win 10 games this year?

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  • AEBAEB Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,958
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    Have anything else you'd like to add in a separate poast, @AEB?

    @Dennis_DeYoung Fair. As much as I would love to Doog it Up and as much as I think UW will improve, the OL will not be ready until late in the year. Still too young. I think Gaskin is great, Browing will improve, the addition of Ross will really help open up the underneath routes, and I suspect Pettis takes another step.

    I agree with your sentiments on the D exactly. One pause: the perfomance in the bowl game spooked me a little. Secondary looked avg at best and the opposing WRs had their way (albeit they were pretty talented).

    The OL is still just a little young. I think 10 wins is very possible but that also means 3 losses against the teams in front of UW.

    I will enjoy watching this year, and for the first time in decades, I'm excited for the season.
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    Run blocking much easier than pass blocking. Run the fucking ball. Gaskin. The cocaine dealer. The other scrubs. Pound the fucking rock. Of course we* won't do that, not until we're* 4-5 and TSIO.
  • huskyhooliganhuskyhooligan Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,041
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    Literally Browning hitting open receivers down field.
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    Literally Browning hitting open receivers down field.

    having open receivers down field.
  • pat_hmpat_hm Member Posts: 941
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    Jake Browing had a strong first season and there are further components that lead me to believe he'll improve in his second year rather than regress. First off he's very accurate. You can't teach that. He is physically stronger and the undisputed leader of the offense going into his second season. He looked sharp this spring. I believe the deep ball criticism has been overhyped. His X receivers were stone hands Mickens and drop king Marvin Hall for christ's sake. Given the conditions of his true freshman season I'd say he performed exceptionally well. We knew there would be growing pains. But he got better throughout the year and arrow is most undoubtedly pointing up.

    The bad news is the offense loses 1752 yards receiving, over half of Browning's production from last season. The good news is only departure of signficance is Josh Perkins who I thought played well. Renfro is gone. Mickens, Dwayne Washington and Hall were all wildly inconsistent players who were routinely out matched on the field. I'd argue the offense will become more efficient with their departures.

    The addition of John Ross to go along with now junior Dante Pettis takes care of the outside and Chico will fill the vacated slot targets. I like him there. Andre Baccellia performed well this spring and should fill a role. Lenius is still an unknown but it's make or break for the guy. Sample and Daniels will share the tight end work. It's reasonable to determine that Browning's weapon arsenal has been upgraded in comparison to what he was working with last season. I believe that Browing's accuracy allows for a more pass friendly scheme and with Tedford apparently coming on board that should only grow.

    Take it for what it's worth but Pro football Focus is very forthright in their fondness for Browning. They've got smart football people there and have written up several articles breaking down his game. Rosen got off to the faster start and received more hype because he's a rich OC kid who goes to UCLA but Jake actually finished stronger and posted positive grades in five of his last six games. Browning's accuracy percentage of 74.6 % ranked second among the nations true freshman. Strong quarterback play is essential and Browning is the best young player at the position UW has had in a long time.

    Myles Gaskin was incredible and shows no signs of slowing down and taking his game to the next level. Among true freshman, Gaskin ranked second in missed tackles forced (51) and third in elusive rating (95.9). He averaged 3.65 yards after contact which not only emphasizes his raw talent but helps explain how he achieved such production behind an average at best offensive line. Hopefully that unit can improve. Lavon Coleman looked decent in the bowl game and would be nice for him to take 5-8 carries a game to help soften the defense. Despite his slight frame, McGrew will play the same role Chico did last season and will likely be given a handful of touches based purely on his speed. The wild card would be a player like Byron Murphy making the switch over to offense and helping to build the depth at wide receivers. I have no idea if that will happen though and would prefer to keep him on defense.

    I saw that someone posted the average point differential on our loses last season was around 8.5 points give or take. I'll take the over. That's a touchdown and a field goal more a game than last season, not exactly a huge leap in my estimation given the factors stated above. As far as the hype goes, if it gets more people in Husky stadium and sets the expectations for the program higher I think it's a good thing. There are reasons to be optimistic for the first time in over a decade, however if UW is going to win the North they're going to need a lot of parts go their way. Building an offense around a intelligent, accurate quarterback and true talent like Gaskin isn't such a bad situation to be in given that the consensus strength of the team is the defense. That pendulum should tild a little more evenly in 2016, which in turn should lead to more wins.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
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    pat_hm said:

    Jake Browing had a strong first season and there are further components that lead me to believe he'll improve in his second year rather than regress. First off he's very accurate. You can't teach that. He is physically stronger and the undisputed leader of the offense going into his second season. He looked sharp this spring. I believe the deep ball criticism has been overhyped. His X receivers were stone hands Mickens and drop king Marvin Hall for christ's sake. Given the conditions of his true freshman season I'd say he performed exceptionally well. We knew there would be growing pains. But he got better throughout the year and arrow is most undoubtedly pointing up.

    The bad news is the offense loses 1752 yards receiving, over half of Browning's production from last season. The good news is only departure of signficance is Josh Perkins who I thought played well. Renfro is gone. Mickens, Dwayne Washington and Hall were all wildly inconsistent players who were routinely out matched on the field. I'd argue the offense will become more efficient with their departures.

    The addition of John Ross to go along with now junior Dante Pettis takes care of the outside and Chico will fill the vacated slot targets. I like him there. Andre Baccellia performed well this spring and should fill a role. Lenius is still an unknown but it's make or break for the guy. Sample and Daniels will share the tight end work. It's reasonable to determine that Browning's weapon arsenal has been upgraded in comparison to what he was working with last season. I believe that Browing's accuracy allows for a more pass friendly scheme and with Tedford apparently coming on board that should only grow.

    Take it for what it's worth but Pro football Focus is very forthright in their fondness for Browning. They've got smart football people there and have written up several articles breaking down his game. Rosen got off to the faster start and received more hype because he's a rich OC kid who goes to UCLA but Jake actually finished stronger and posted positive grades in five of his last six games. Browning's accuracy percentage of 74.6 % ranked second among the nations true freshman. Strong quarterback play is essential and Browning is the best young player at the position UW has had in a long time.

    Myles Gaskin was incredible and shows no signs of slowing down and taking his game to the next level. Among true freshman, Gaskin ranked second in missed tackles forced (51) and third in elusive rating (95.9). He averaged 3.65 yards after contact which not only emphasizes his raw talent but helps explain how he achieved such production behind an average at best offensive line. Hopefully that unit can improve. Lavon Coleman looked decent in the bowl game and would be nice for him to take 5-8 carries a game to help soften the defense. Despite his slight frame, McGrew will play the same role Chico did last season and will likely be given a handful of touches based purely on his speed. The wild card would be a player like Byron Murphy making the switch over to offense and helping to build the depth at wide receivers. I have no idea if that will happen though and would prefer to keep him on defense.

    I saw that someone posted the average point differential on our loses last season was around 8.5 points give or take. I'll take the over. That's a touchdown and a field goal more a game than last season, not exactly a huge leap in my estimation given the factors stated above. As far as the hype goes, if it gets more people in Husky stadium and sets the expectations for the program higher I think it's a good thing. There are reasons to be optimistic for the first time in over a decade, however if UW is going to win the North they're going to need a lot of parts go their way. Building an offense around a intelligent, accurate quarterback and true talent like Gaskin isn't such a bad situation to be in given that the consensus strength of the team is the defense. That pendulum should tild a little more evenly in 2016, which in turn should lead to more wins.

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  • EsophagealFecesEsophagealFeces Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,439
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    pat_hm said:

    Jake Browing had a strong first season and there are further components that lead me to believe he'll improve in his second year rather than regress. First off he's very accurate. You can't teach that. He is physically stronger and the undisputed leader of the offense going into his second season. He looked sharp this spring. I believe the deep ball criticism has been overhyped. His X receivers were stone hands Mickens and drop king Marvin Hall for christ's sake. Given the conditions of his true freshman season I'd say he performed exceptionally well. We knew there would be growing pains. But he got better throughout the year and arrow is most undoubtedly pointing up.

    The bad news is the offense loses 1752 yards receiving, over half of Browning's production from last season. The good news is only departure of signficance is Josh Perkins who I thought played well. Renfro is gone. Mickens, Dwayne Washington and Hall were all wildly inconsistent players who were routinely out matched on the field. I'd argue the offense will become more efficient with their departures.

    The addition of John Ross to go along with now junior Dante Pettis takes care of the outside and Chico will fill the vacated slot targets. I like him there. Andre Baccellia performed well this spring and should fill a role. Lenius is still an unknown but it's make or break for the guy. Sample and Daniels will share the tight end work. It's reasonable to determine that Browning's weapon arsenal has been upgraded in comparison to what he was working with last season. I believe that Browing's accuracy allows for a more pass friendly scheme and with Tedford apparently coming on board that should only grow.

    Take it for what it's worth but Pro football Focus is very forthright in their fondness for Browning. They've got smart football people there and have written up several articles breaking down his game. Rosen got off to the faster start and received more hype because he's a rich OC kid who goes to UCLA but Jake actually finished stronger and posted positive grades in five of his last six games. Browning's accuracy percentage of 74.6 % ranked second among the nations true freshman. Strong quarterback play is essential and Browning is the best young player at the position UW has had in a long time.

    Myles Gaskin was incredible and shows no signs of slowing down and taking his game to the next level. Among true freshman, Gaskin ranked second in missed tackles forced (51) and third in elusive rating (95.9). He averaged 3.65 yards after contact which not only emphasizes his raw talent but helps explain how he achieved such production behind an average at best offensive line. Hopefully that unit can improve. Lavon Coleman looked decent in the bowl game and would be nice for him to take 5-8 carries a game to help soften the defense. Despite his slight frame, McGrew will play the same role Chico did last season and will likely be given a handful of touches based purely on his speed. The wild card would be a player like Byron Murphy making the switch over to offense and helping to build the depth at wide receivers. I have no idea if that will happen though and would prefer to keep him on defense.

    I saw that someone posted the average point differential on our loses last season was around 8.5 points give or take. I'll take the over. That's a touchdown and a field goal more a game than last season, not exactly a huge leap in my estimation given the factors stated above. As far as the hype goes, if it gets more people in Husky stadium and sets the expectations for the program higher I think it's a good thing. There are reasons to be optimistic for the first time in over a decade, however if UW is going to win the North they're going to need a lot of parts go their way. Building an offense around a intelligent, accurate quarterback and true talent like Gaskin isn't such a bad situation to be in given that the consensus strength of the team is the defense. That pendulum should tild a little more evenly in 2016, which in turn should lead to more wins.

    TL, DR.
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    pat_hm said:

    Jake Browing had a strong first season and there are further components that lead me to believe he'll improve in his second year rather than regress. First off he's very accurate. You can't teach that. He is physically stronger and the undisputed leader of the offense going into his second season. He looked sharp this spring. I believe the deep ball criticism has been overhyped. His X receivers were stone hands Mickens and drop king Marvin Hall for christ's sake. Given the conditions of his true freshman season I'd say he performed exceptionally well. We knew there would be growing pains. But he got better throughout the year and arrow is most undoubtedly pointing up.

    The bad news is the offense loses 1752 yards receiving, over half of Browning's production from last season. The good news is only departure of signficance is Josh Perkins who I thought played well. Renfro is gone. Mickens, Dwayne Washington and Hall were all wildly inconsistent players who were routinely out matched on the field. I'd argue the offense will become more efficient with their departures.

    The addition of John Ross to go along with now junior Dante Pettis takes care of the outside and Chico will fill the vacated slot targets. I like him there. Andre Baccellia performed well this spring and should fill a role. Lenius is still an unknown but it's make or break for the guy. Sample and Daniels will share the tight end work. It's reasonable to determine that Browning's weapon arsenal has been upgraded in comparison to what he was working with last season. I believe that Browing's accuracy allows for a more pass friendly scheme and with Tedford apparently coming on board that should only grow.

    Take it for what it's worth but Pro football Focus is very forthright in their fondness for Browning. They've got smart football people there and have written up several articles breaking down his game. Rosen got off to the faster start and received more hype because he's a rich OC kid who goes to UCLA but Jake actually finished stronger and posted positive grades in five of his last six games. Browning's accuracy percentage of 74.6 % ranked second among the nations true freshman. Strong quarterback play is essential and Browning is the best young player at the position UW has had in a long time.

    Myles Gaskin was incredible and shows no signs of slowing down and taking his game to the next level. Among true freshman, Gaskin ranked second in missed tackles forced (51) and third in elusive rating (95.9). He averaged 3.65 yards after contact which not only emphasizes his raw talent but helps explain how he achieved such production behind an average at best offensive line. Hopefully that unit can improve. Lavon Coleman looked decent in the bowl game and would be nice for him to take 5-8 carries a game to help soften the defense. Despite his slight frame, McGrew will play the same role Chico did last season and will likely be given a handful of touches based purely on his speed. The wild card would be a player like Byron Murphy making the switch over to offense and helping to build the depth at wide receivers. I have no idea if that will happen though and would prefer to keep him on defense.

    I saw that someone posted the average point differential on our loses last season was around 8.5 points give or take. I'll take the over. That's a touchdown and a field goal more a game than last season, not exactly a huge leap in my estimation given the factors stated above. As far as the hype goes, if it gets more people in Husky stadium and sets the expectations for the program higher I think it's a good thing. There are reasons to be optimistic for the first time in over a decade, however if UW is going to win the North they're going to need a lot of parts go their way. Building an offense around a intelligent, accurate quarterback and true talent like Gaskin isn't such a bad situation to be in given that the consensus strength of the team is the defense. That pendulum should tild a little more evenly in 2016, which in turn should lead to more wins.

    Disagree
  • GladstoneGladstone Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,417
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    I agree with everything Pat wrote except for Byron Murphy, I hope he plays O this year. He can always switch back.
  • pat_hmpat_hm Member Posts: 941
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    Gladstone said:

    I agree with everything Pat wrote except for Byron Murphy, I hope he plays O this year. He can always switch back.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Murphy on offense given the opportunity but at this point it's all conjecture. UW needs help on the outside. I guess it depends on how the depth looks at CB. Love is likely to redshirt as he's only 160 right now. Gilchrist could move to safety. Certainly not a bad problem to have though. Should be interesting. UW won't really start to solve their wide receiver problem until the class of 2017 is enrolled. Browing will have to make the best of the talent around which I don't see being a problem.
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    Good post @pat.

    Doog accusations forthcoming.
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    pat_hm said:

    Good post @pat.

    Doog accusations forthcoming.

    Thanks man. I just really don't understand all the hate towards Browning. It's insane. We're all bitter and pissed that we haven't been any good in 15 years but this actual time to be at least slightly optimistic. We have a good defense. We have a quarterback. Fuck. People hate it when you bring up actual statistics. "BUT REMEMBER WHEN HE MISSED THAT DEEP BALL WHEN MICKENS WAS WIDE OPEN AND HE DROPPED IT. BROWNING SUCKS."

    He was better than Rosen last season and people on here still bitch and moan. It's almost like people don't want UW to do well. Makes no sense. And i'm no fucking doog, just optimistic for once given the situation UW football finds itself in 2016. I'll be at Husky Stadium for the Idaho game, bitches.
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    pat_hm said:

    Good post @pat.

    Doog accusations forthcoming.

    Thanks man. I just really don't understand all the hate towards Browning. It's insane. We're all bitter and pissed that we haven't been any good in 15 years but this actual time to be at least slightly optimistic. We have a good defense. We have a quarterback. Fuck. People hate it when you bring up actual statistics. "BUT REMEMBER WHEN HE MISSED THAT DEEP BALL WHEN MICKENS WAS WIDE OPEN AND HE DROPPED IT. BROWNING SUCKS."

    He was better than Rosen last season and people on here still bitch and moan. It's almost like people don't want UW to do well. Makes no sense. And i'm no fucking doog, just optimistic for once given the situation UW football finds itself in 2016. I'll be at Husky Stadium for the Idaho game, bitches.
    The hate is for going full @Tequilla

    pat_hm said:

    Good post @pat.

    Doog accusations forthcoming.

    Thanks man. I just really don't understand all the hate towards Browning. It's insane. We're all bitter and pissed that we haven't been any good in 15 years but this actual time to be at least slightly optimistic. We have a good defense. We have a quarterback. Fuck. People hate it when you bring up actual statistics. "BUT REMEMBER WHEN HE MISSED THAT DEEP BALL WHEN MICKENS WAS WIDE OPEN AND HE DROPPED IT. BROWNING SUCKS."

    He was better than Rosen last season and people on here still bitch and moan. It's almost like people don't want UW to do well. Makes no sense. And i'm no fucking doog, just optimistic for once given the situation UW football finds itself in 2016. I'll be at Husky Stadium for the Idaho game, bitches.
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    H_D said:

    Literally Browning hitting open receivers down field.

    having open receivers down field.
    There were specific plays last season where there was a brilliant play call (usually a well timed play action) with wide open receivers yards away from defenders, and the ball was overthrown. Cal (not to mention countless turnovers, one of which he under throws Hall, who by all accounts put no effort into breaking up the play), Arizona State probably swing the other way. USC game would have been a blow out. I can't think of a specific example with Boise game, Oregon, or Utah (turnovers again).
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    H_D said:

    Literally Browning hitting open receivers down field.

    having open receivers down field.
    There were specific plays last season where there was a brilliant play call (usually a well timed play action) with wide open receivers yards away from defenders, and the ball was overthrown. Cal (not to mention countless turnovers, one of which he under throws Hall, who by all accounts put no effort into breaking up the play), Arizona State probably swing the other way. USC game would have been a blow out. I can't think of a specific example with Boise game, Oregon, or Utah (turnovers again).
    Oh I know. There were times where he was incredibly frustrating. He turned the ball over and missed a few guys due to the ball being under thrown. I'm not saying he was perfect. But he improved throughout the year. If you look back at the true freshman seasons of Luck, Goff and Rosen, our guy stacks up pretty well. It feels like people here are treating Browning like some seasoned Senior quarterback last year. The kid was a true fucking freshman. That's not making excuses for the guy its a fact. He looked a lot stronger this spring which will only help with those deep throws. Accuracy wasn't the problem last season, it was physical strength and adjusting to what college defenses were throwing at him. He'll get better.
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    I have hope he'll get better, he needs to in order for the team to reach its full potential on offense. By most accounts he had a great, true freshman, season. Ultimately though, as someone who touches the ball on virtually every offensive play, he needs to get better, I also think he can / will.
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